tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848479071700794490.post2894598249535904349..comments2023-01-24T16:45:59.453-06:00Comments on The Awesome Science of Chinonomics: A new baby is being born -- call the doctorThe Chinonomisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08106757954345596438noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848479071700794490.post-87020210767051810942012-05-31T23:33:09.636-05:002012-05-31T23:33:09.636-05:00Agree. To speak about Sovereignty is to fall pray ...Agree. To speak about Sovereignty is to fall pray to Demagogy. Sovereignty is a great "unifying" concept when politicians want to rally support for a particular narrative. Thanks for reading.The Chinonomisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106757954345596438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848479071700794490.post-85366773417563470382012-05-31T23:22:52.214-05:002012-05-31T23:22:52.214-05:00I agree with you Mark. A common enemy/threat is a ...I agree with you Mark. A common enemy/threat is a unifying factor in any society, but I do believe that Europe has a unifying threat: Its own past. I subscribe to the idea that the motivation behind Europe's politicians to push the continent's integration is to avoid at all cost what they suffered in WWII. I write about that here: http://thechinonomist.blogspot.com/2011/11/great-cycle-of-human-stupidity.htmlThe Chinonomisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106757954345596438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848479071700794490.post-58251462745746432072012-05-31T17:03:52.490-05:002012-05-31T17:03:52.490-05:00The first comment about sovereignty lacks any sens...The first comment about sovereignty lacks any sense of cultural history. The first fifty years of the Union people identified more as Virginian, Carolinian, etc. than American. At some point, people had to buy into the national project on a conceptual level. Certainly the economic factors mentioned in the blogpost about jefferson, etc. created the appropriate terrain for that to occur. But there was a very strong Federalist cultural project in geography textbooks, reading primers, etc that attempted to facilitate the cultural buy-in. <br /><br />Why do you think we still sing the national anthem at baseball games? etc. Flags have purposes beyond merely helping know who to shoot at during war. Sovereignty in the United States remains a touchy subject---ever hear of states'rights. . . ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848479071700794490.post-4279566676947322802012-05-31T16:14:41.199-05:002012-05-31T16:14:41.199-05:00The birth of the US had something else that Europe...The birth of the US had something else that Europe lacks: an external enemy. In the case of the US it was the English Empire, against which only unification and a system of mutual support among the colonies could triumph. Could the current fiscal threat in Europe be enough of an external enemy to force the Eurozone nations to further unite? Doubtful. <br /><br />-Mark in SeattleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848479071700794490.post-65091317882980058442012-01-13T09:47:32.062-06:002012-01-13T09:47:32.062-06:00Sovereignty is a very loose term. So I caution you...Sovereignty is a very loose term. So I caution you to use carefully when you debate. You call the European States Sovereign? Greece has now an Ex-ECB vicepresident (Papademos) who was not democratically elected (he was actually appointed by pressure of the Financial Markets), and Greece has an IMF team in Athens telling them how to collect taxes and spend their money. Is Greece Sovereign? How about Italy? Monti was not democratically elected either (he also appointed by pressure of the markets). And oh, Italy ALSO has a IMF mission in Rome to tell the Italians how to run their deficit. So, to call the European Nations (plural) sovereign is very, very misleading.The Chinonomisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08106757954345596438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2848479071700794490.post-54841438879071196622011-11-24T13:49:10.481-06:002011-11-24T13:49:10.481-06:00To compare the "birth" of this putative ...To compare the "birth" of this putative nascent "European nation" that you speak of to the birth of the US is ... well let's just call it silly.<br />You did not have a bunch of 17 sovereign nation states pre-existing within the boundaries of what is now the United States now, did you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com